u-turn nitro ne good

[mecanic matt]

just bought a u-turn nitro 4.9 !! does anyone have one and are they prity good or not ??

[redskyhorizon]

Yeah, I have a few Nitro II's inc the 4.9. TBH, I haven't had much flying time with them, but from the brief time I had in the buggy with the 4.9 it felt super quick through the air, very much like the Gin Tonkawa's in that regard. It will make a swishing sound even in light wind. The one thing I found surprising, was just how fast it would climb to zenith, so fast infact that it caught me out a few times. It was for this reason I tend to fly other race kites.
Definitely a kite not to loose sight of or to be too relaxed about. Also I found that it was quite unstable, even for a race kite. Without wanting to Hijack your thread, I too would be interested in anyone else's opinion, especially the climb rate and is it worth persevering with these kites.



Tom

[mecanic matt]

cheers tom yes will see how see goes !! will let u know what i think when i get it cheers ,,,matt

[redskyhorizon]

Thanks, I'd appreciate that.

[Boater]

I fly Nitros, they were the first of the current generation of race kites so they are a bit old now and not many of us are left using them.

The original nitros were in my opinion a bit faster but a bit less stable, the Evo II version uses a modified bridle which makes them eaiser to fly, so hopefully that's what you'll have. From the factory EVO II nitros have the claw on both sides, but it's not a foolproof ID because some racers just changed the bridles on the original kites (claw on the back only). A better way to tell is if the tips are pointed in flight (like a combat) or rounded (like just about everything else), the rounded tips are the EVO II.

Whichever version you have the 4.9 is nice, which is true of most race kites, about 5m is always a good size.
Nitros are high aspect with relatively few leading edge vents so usually need a sharp tug to get them inflated and airborne, but they climb fast so it's best to turn them early and get them climbing diagonally to miss the max power zone. Also make sure you get the brakes on before it reaches the edge, like all race kites it will happily fly out of the window and collapse. You can tame it to an extent by setting the brakes fairly heavy, but that can make it sluggish to get in the air and can make it stall in turns. The best way to fly it is set the brakes so you can pull them on for power, or let them off to build up more speed - you will find you need to continually monitor it and adjust the amount of brake as you go.

Not the easiest kites to fly, but certainly not the hardest - I find them much easier than my old RMs.

[mecanic matt]

a a great stuff !! will see if its the original bridle and if i dont like the way it flies will change it out and get the evo2 bridle ? think i should find bridles on the net ? cheers for advice ;;;;;;;; !

[skidmarks]

i had the 2.5 it was the most fcuked up mental lil cnut i ever riden on the beach i used to power turn n keep going easily without even pausing huge smiles per miles but also a nasty lil shite at times best suited to clean winds flat beaches but hell it lifted me out many a time if i even got the chance to get in lol

[Mouthwash]

I owned a full set of Nitros.

4.9 is the best of the lot. If it has multicoloured bridles it's the EvoII if not its the EvoI. EvoII has a much more curved shape in the air and "easier" to fly.

Upwind there's nothing to beat a Nitro. However, it's an F1 race kite and needs constant brake input to stop it flying out the window. If you preset the brakes (as Jim said) too tight it will stifle the kite and make it stall on a reach. Try to meet up with someone who's flown race kites and get them to show you.

Chris

[custheyder]

I have a 3.9m and a 12.2m Nitro Evo2 .... brilliant kites. Yes they are tricky to fly, yes they will lift you out of the buggy if your not paying attention and YES they will put a HUGE smile on you face when your blasting up the beach. I'll only sell my huge Nitro if Pansh send me their two biggest Sprints (the 12.5m and the mythical 15.5m)

[redskyhorizon]

On that note, I'll give mine another go.

[mecanic matt]

wicked got delivered today its blue and red !! and yes chris the bridle is multi coloured cool evo 2 then !! funny thing the brake bridles are connected to the power bridle via a niffty chrome loop just like a depower kite ?? with my desperate nature in my dinner break took it out the park where i work !! flew it in gusty wind and wow so cool fast but had to keep it on the move and yes flew straight out the window and colapsed dough !! and bow tied very easy !! but think i will get the hang of it in a weekend ?? flowen a few razors and this seems soo soo much better ?? think the buggy will be sideways loads and i will be spanked ,,, cheers for the help guys ,,,,,matt

[Boater]

Um, only the Evo I bridle has the power rings. The Evo I bridle was originally made in unsleeved kevlar - hence yellow all over (I'd forgotten that) but towards the end of Evo I production they switched to the multicoloured firewire bridle line but in the original lengths. Sorry Chris, you are normally right, but I kept the old bridle lines in case I ever need spares, and the bag marked 4.9 is definitely mutlicolured firewire!

I doubt you will find an Evo II bridle on ebay, and it's quite a big job to re-bridle the kite. Most of the racers that did it cut the old lines to save time, I think I was the only one to unthread them so I'm probably the only person that could switch back if I wanted to, but I don't.

Oh Chris, you are also wrong about nothing else beating a Nitro upwind, I'm convinced original RMs will cut closer if I could keep them in the air. Unfortunately there is more to racing than going upwind

Spend a bit of time getting to know that 4.9, it is way easier to fly than the 2.5 (all 2.5m race kites are twitchy and fast) so don't be scared of it.

[mecanic matt]

confused now is this an evo 1 or 2 ,,, sorry its night time !! [/URL[/IMG] http://imgur.com/MZz16.jpg][/URL http://imgur.com/MJD7N.jpg][/URL

[zimmer]

Matt is attracted to all things rainbow, he also has a big bushy tache (circa 1970's). I don't think he minds if it's a mk1 or mk2, it's the colours that matter

[mecanic matt]

ha ha cheers for that jim lol

[Mouthwash]

Ok thats me flamed.

You have an Evo 1 because it has the power rings, I didn't know they switched to fire wire on the 1. You won't get a bridle on ebay. If you wanted one you might strike it lucky if you emailed the factory but I seriously doubt it.

And I stick by my upwind comment, never had a JoJo go upwind tighter than me, ask Dave Scott

Cheers

Chris

Um, only the Evo I bridle has the power rings. The Evo I bridle was originally made in unsleeved kevlar - hence yellow all over (I'd forgotten that) but towards the end of Evo I production they switched to the multicoloured firewire bridle line but in the original lengths. Sorry Chris, you are normally right, but I kept the old bridle lines in case I ever need spares, and the bag marked 4.9 is definitely mutlicolured firewire!

I doubt you will find an Evo II bridle on ebay, and it's quite a big job to re-bridle the kite. Most of the racers that did it cut the old lines to save time, I think I was the only one to unthread them so I'm probably the only person that could switch back if I wanted to, but I don't.

Oh Chris, you are also wrong about nothing else beating a Nitro upwind, I'm convinced original RMs will cut closer if I could keep them in the air. Unfortunately there is more to racing than going upwind

Spend a bit of time getting to know that 4.9, it is way easier to fly than the 2.5 (all 2.5m race kites are twitchy and fast) so don't be scared of it.

[mecanic matt]

a cheers chris im happy with the way it flies ne ways just needed to know !! cheers cheers

[isaacb]

When I bought my new nitros the 4.9 came like the above - It was much faster then when I (yes Jim I did cut the bridles off) changed to the Ev0 11 bridle and regretted doing it.

You would probably be better off financially if you bought a second hand Evo 11 the bridle will be expensive new from U turn.

I guess it was an in between development and is probably the same evo 1 bridle just in fire wire - great kite though and def worth keeping as is.

[Crispy]

I bought a Firewire bridle for my 3.5m Butane - your old one, Chris, in fact - from U-Turn.de just before Xmas. The cost was £40. If they're still available for the Butane it's likely they're still available for the Nitro.

[Boater]

And I stick by my upwind comment, never had a JoJo go upwind tighter than me, ask Dave Scott

Cheers

Chris

He he, no flaming here!
Dave was flying RM+ by the time you met him, the RM+ doesn't go upwind as well the Nitro Evo II never mind the original RM. Ask Dave, He'll tell you he always felt like the RM had more than the RM+, unfortunately flying RMs is a bit like attaching your lines to a grizzly bear that someone has been throwing rocks at for an hour - fast, but wrong moves are punished! I wonder how buggybags is getting on taming his?

Matt, I have to agree with Gav, I think the Evo I (which you definitely have) is faster than the Evo II - it stands to reason really, if you make a kite easier to fly you have to lose something. I never had a problem flying Evo I's for fun, it's in races where you are flying as close to the limit as possible, under pressure and people are trying to get your kite in their wash and stuff - that's where the bit of extra stability comes in useful and is worth trading a little speed / upwind ability for. One of the lads in Scottish fleet never upgraded his bridles and could definitely beat me for straight line speed and upwind, I could usually beat him around a course though, he stopped racing just before he got good enough to beat me everywhere.

Jim

[kitebuggybagman]

He he, no flaming here!
I wonder how buggybags is getting on taming his?



Jim

Fully tamed

[mecanic matt]

i prob wont really be racing with it !! might have a run up to st andrews for a blast !! but will have some great fast buggy and dirtsurfer days out ,,, as a cool toy i dont think i will change the bridle the complete kite is as new !! will just get used to flying it as is ,,, cheers all for your input , has put me at ease cheers ,,,,,matt

[mecanic matt]

for anyone thats intrested bill from u-turn kites just emailed me !! the evo 2 bridle is £70 and has to be made to order 2 week turn around time ,,,,