FED buggy racers

[Sparhawk]

Sorry wasn't that 2 as CLSC was/is FED in 2007??? And 3 in 2008??? or have I missed something??

Until 31st Dec I only pay twice as CLSC is a Fed beach.

You still need to pay club fee's.

Which is why I didnt buggy at Hoylake last year, I wasnt automatically a member of Hoy because I was a member of CLSC?


It does make me giggle, people sitting on £300 worth of buggy, Flying £1,000's of worth of kites and whinging about £30 worth of insurance. FGS you dont even get a proper set of lines for that.

[Sparhawk]

And if you were a member of CLSC and actually bothered about the club, you would have been at the AGM and voted NO to the proposal.

[Kiteboyza]

Just got confirmation...FED are sticking with the same insurance as last year, good ol Perkins Slade....small FED clubs are going to pay a lot of money. Seems the more members you have the cheaper it becomes

Traditional FED site Spooky, they seem to be getting less and less..

Now that CLSC have left the FED... I assume from 31/12/07 will the Zurich policy be in place for 01/01/2008???

It was in place in early October....

[Plezzy]

Sorry wasn't that 2 as CLSC was/is FED in 2007??? And 3 in 2008??? or have I missed something??

Err no.

If you were a member of all three in 2007, you paid money to each of the three. You may not have paid as MUCH as you will in 2008, but that was nt the question

Just me being smart If you want to buggy at all three, pay the money.

If you dont, just buy two.

Or just buy one

Or dont buy any. And dont buggy.

It s all about choice

Happy to pay membership, but the insurance position (cost) is most likely worsening. Great

[Offshore]

[quote=Sparhawk;1636720]

It does make me giggle, people sitting on £300 worth of buggy, Flying £1,000's of worth of kites and whinging about £30 worth of insurance. FGS you dont even get a proper set of lines for that.

My comment to Tigertim on the phone this PM!!!

[Plezzy]

And if you were a member of CLSC and actually bothered about the club, you would have been at the AGM and voted NO to the proposal.

no need to get RC!

My main club is Hoy - Pembrey is 4hrs away and I merely try to visit once/twice a year as part of a family holiday (3/4 day's buggying at most - only got one day in this year). The additional cost of insurance for 3 poss 4 family members is a factor in whether I re-join.

......but Yes, it is my choice.

[Sparhawk]

no need to get RC!

You misunderstand my tone mate

And you can still get day membership for CLSC beaches I think . Chairman will confirm.

[Plezzy]

no need to get RC!

You misunderstand my tone mate

Profuse apologies

[Snowman Taff]

CLSC membership is still only £40 with the new Zurich insurance. So our costs haven't changed at all, other than the fact we won't be paying £12 to the FED anymore, so as a club we are much better off.

If anyone thinks that's a waste of money or expensive then PLEASE don't re-join or belittle the vote taken at our AGM. Join Hoylake instead for about double the price. Bargain

[Plezzy]

CLSC membership is still only £40 with the new Zurich insurance. So our costs haven't changed at all, other than the fact we won't be paying £12 to the FED anymore, so as a club we are much better off.

If anyone thinks that's a waste of money or expensive then PLEASE don't re-join or belittle the vote taken at our AGM. Join Hoylake instead for about double the price. Bargain

I personally have no issue with the club or the decision it's taken (and I can't quite see how you might have thought that from the recent threads). I'm a long distance member of CLSC, only 20mins from Hoy and so that's my home Club of choice. All I want to clarify is what is happening next year. This year, my Fed insurance, actually paid to Hoy, covered me for CLSC so I only needed to pay CLSC for membership.

for 2008 I'm assuming that I'll pay £40 for full membership and insurance for CLSC. The BIG question for me is whether I join all the family next year (I joined alone this year) for one or two visits.

All I'm looking for is clarity in the figures, which I think I now have.

[Snowman Taff]

CLSC membership is still only £40 with the new Zurich insurance. So our costs haven't changed at all, other than the fact we won't be paying £12 to the FED anymore, so as a club we are much better off.

If anyone thinks that's a waste of money or expensive then PLEASE don't re-join or belittle the vote taken at our AGM. Join Hoylake instead for about double the price. Bargain

I personally have no issue with the club or the decision it's taken (and I can't quite see how you might have thought that from the recent threads). I'm a long distance member of CLSC, only 20mins from Hoy and so that's my home Club of choice. All I want to clarify is what is happening next year. This year, my Fed insurance, actually paid to Hoy, covered me for CLSC so I only needed to pay CLSC for membership.

for 2008 I'm assuming that I'll pay £40 for full membership and insurance for CLSC. The BIG question for me is whether I join all the family next year (I joined alone this year) for one or two visits.

All I'm looking for is clarity in the figures, which I think I now have.

Sorry it wasn't aimed directly at yourself, as far as the Family goes and CLSC we discussed a good premium at the AGM for Family membership. Sorry I can't remember exactly what it was but it was a definite improvement. I'm sure someone will explain it on the CLSC forum.

[spooky]

CLSC membership is still only £40 with the new Zurich insurance. So our costs haven't changed at all, other than the fact we won't be paying £12 to the FED anymore, so as a club we are much better off.

But did the council not insist on FED membership a few years back when the ban happened? Least that was what I was told??

Good luck, Jon

[Sparhawk]

CLSC membership is still only £40 with the new Zurich insurance. So our costs haven't changed at all, other than the fact we won't be paying £12 to the FED anymore, so as a club we are much better off.

But did the council not insist on FED membership a few years back when the ban happened? Least that was what I was told??

Good luck, Jon

Possibly,

The following is mainly conjecture but with a good dose of truth .

More likely the other crowd completely ****ed up the necessary which was made it go the Fed route in the first place.

[spooky]

I can not comment on the support or lack of from what was the BBC at the time, but was lead to believe that the club had to be with the FED for the training/liecenseing structure and recognition by the National Govening Body.

But if no longer recognised, removes the argument on whether one body helped and one did not etc, as o need to be recognised, just insured.

Which again highlights the issue of why the need for all these different clubs/membership when all it comes down to is adequate insurance to remove liability of the owners???

Please do not get me wrong, I fully support any group of people that activley keep flying sites open, so not a did at the club or any individual.

BUT, does sound like the FED are going down the BKSA route of almost forcing people to join the association just to ride at a site, thus bumping their numbers up????

Jon

[trikbitz]

The PKA will do all the licencing in the future the plan is to have a trained person in each club so to make it simple.

[Freeman]

I may be wrong... but CLSC only joined the FED, as at the time, the FED and the FED alone had access to insurance covering Kite Buggys/Boards and Landyachts.... and remember CLSC was formed following the amalgamation of Pendine Wind Sports Club and Cefn Sidan Land Yacht Club....

CCC are quite happy with CLSC and their spangly new insurance...

[Offshore]

I may be wrong... but CLSC only joined the FED, as at the time, the FED and the FED alone had access to insurance covering Kite Buggys/Boards and Landyachts.... and remember CLSC was formed following the amalgamation of Pendine Wind Sports Club and Cefn Sidan Land Yacht Club....

CCC are quite happy with CLSC and their spangly new insurance...

So it isn't quite true that the FED haven't done anything for Class 8 then?

[Kiteboyza]

CLSC membership is still only £40 with the new Zurich insurance. So our costs haven't changed at all, other than the fact we won't be paying £12 to the FED anymore, so as a club we are much better off.

But did the council not insist on FED membership a few years back when the ban happened? Least that was what I was told??

Good luck, Jon

rumours dude....if Mell had gotten his act together it could have been BBC on Pendine/Pembrey

Council is happy with the insurance we have produced..just in case youre wondering. Some nice events might be planned as we have insurance that covers us as a club for events up to 350 people. This policy is the original I submitted to FED HQ and stated clearly that if it was changed to much we would walk away. It was changed. Zurich imposed all sorts of clauses because of landyachting accidents and claims. We all know about Lytham but another was dropped on the table, guess what, another landyacht accident involving a girl and dental work.

Ok, I'll get off my box now as I'm off skiing for two weeks in the Rockies. Hope to find this debate when I return

Cheers
D

So, I dropped the FED and the same insurer is willing to insure us for all the stuff we want and we dont have to pay super premiums and have all sorts of clauses as weve run a clean ship for almost 5 years...

Leisure sailing anywhere within the UK and Europe providing a annual
risk assessment carried out at each site.
Member on member cover
Club officials cover
Cover for events organised by the group with an attendance of no more
then 350 people, any more then 350 will require prior notification.
Racing within the UK.
Day members to be included within the policy for the day they are
sailing.

The following buggies/crafts will be covered:

Kite Buggying
Kite Landboarding
Kitewing Powered Landboards
Landyachting (To include miniyachts/Blokarts and class 5 yachts)
Speedsails
Static Flying
Instruction of the above by Approved and Qualified instructors.

[spooky]

But did the council not insist on FED membership a few years back when the ban happened? Least that was what I was told??

Good luck, Jon

rumours dude....if Mell had gotten his act together it could have been BBC on Pendine/Pembrey

Hi not doubting that may have been the case, but to me does height lite the fact that all we hear about the need for clubs (not saying yours) to be affiliated/recognised etc does not really mean much, its all about the insurance to remove liability from the land owners?

A club could quite easily just be a club of like minded people with their own individual insurance for day to day flying, with club insurance for any club event (so as to protect committee members etc) and thus avoid all the hassle about, must join x,y,z club???

Well done for making the break away

Hope this can lead to bigger and better things.....open beaches for all
Just show your insurance card and go ride

Enjoy your ski trip, Jon

[Freeman]

You have to ask yourself why affiliation is needed, when said group cannot organise it's way out of a paper bag......

[Kiteboyza]

You have to ask yourself why affiliation is needed, when said group cannot organise it's way out of a paper bag......

the trying to affiliate the corners of said bag

[tigertim]

Leisure sailing anywhere within the UK and Europe providing a annual
risk assessment carried out at each site.

Good on you D. Maybe my club would be interested in this policy.

Can I just check? So this isn't a fly anywhere policy as such, its a policy reliant on a risk assessment being carried out on the site where your members will be flying?

For my own purposes I think I will opt out of paying Fed insurance with my WSYC fees for 2008. I will present the Secretary with proof of my BPKA insurance which will be vaild for the whole calendar year. This is valid for PKA and Supercup rounds too. So as far as I'm concerned I'm sorted.

[Tuffty]

It does make me giggle, people sitting on £300 worth of buggy, Flying £1,000's of worth of kites and whinging about £30 worth of insurance. FGS you dont even get a proper set of lines for that.

That bloke has a point

[tigertim]

It does make me giggle, people sitting on £300 worth of buggy, Flying £1,000's of worth of kites and whinging about £30 worth of insurance. FGS you dont even get a proper set of lines for that.

That bloke has a point

Agreed. Or when people moan about an extra fiver a weekend to race. My gripes not about how much but who to.

[Kiteboyza]

Leisure sailing anywhere within the UK and Europe providing a annual
risk assessment carried out at each site.

Good on you D. Maybe my club would be interested in this policy.

Can I just check? So this isn't a fly anywhere policy as such, its a policy reliant on a risk assessment being carried out on the site where your members will be flying?

For my own purposes I think I will opt out of paying Fed insurance with my WSYC fees for 2008. I will present the Secretary with proof of my BPKA insurance which will be vaild for the whole calendar year. This is valid for PKA and Supercup rounds too. So as far as I'm concerned I'm sorted.

Thats correct. Trying to find any insurance that does not require a RA is impossible in these days. The club will determine if its a decent site as not to try and do RA's for every sports field in the country but we should be able to fly on a few more sites than before, host events, have some club racing etc.

The policy the FED rolled out had world cover. Now maybe it was just coincidence but is recall the worlds for landyachts are in Argentina

With this policy we might find a hole or two but we will be a year ahead of the FED.