FED buggy racers

[Sparhawk]

I stand to be corrected . . . .but is it not the case that CLSC are effectively generating a position where you have no choice but to be a CLSC member to buggy on Pendine or Pembrey???

joolz, this was always the case.

I was nt allowed to just turn up and buggy on Hoylake as I was a member of CLSC.

You (I feel) are trying to skew the argument to make CLSC out to be some kind of bad guys.

The change in policy and insurance at CLSC was made BY THE CLUB, for the GOOD OF THE CLUB, for the people that buggy there.

[Snowman Taff]

All I can say is we at CLSC are happy as Larry to have found a new insurance policy, Zurich have been more than happy to discuss, alter and clarify the whole policy to meet the needs of the club.

As far as I know it is a club based insurance with each member covered for the following ( quoted straight from the Zurich insurance officer ):The underlined sections I have added myself.

The £10.50 will provide the following cover: ( £15 someone quoted here )

Leisure sailing anywhere within the UK and Europe providing an annual
risk assessment carried out at each site. ( FED members can they sail anywhere then with a RA?? Local field. local beach ? I don't think so )
Member on member cover
Club officials cover
Cover for events organised by the group with an attendance of no more
then 350 people ( no restriction on when we arrange events ), any more then 350 will require prior notification. ( FED insurance all events notified by Jan 1st )
Racing within the UK.
Day members to be included within the policy for the day they are
sailing.

The following buggies/crafts will be covered:

Kite Buggying
Kite Landboarding
Kitewing Powered Landboards
Landyachting (To include miniyachts/Blokarts and class 5 yachts)
Speedsails
Static Flying
Instruction of the above by Approved and Qualified instructors.


CLSC is NO longer part of the FED organisation if that means to sail on our beaches you need to be a member then so be it ( not an official line from CLSC just my view ), no different to any FED beach in this country I can't just come to Hoylake and sail whenever I like unless I am a member.

We at CLSC don't need to sell this policy to anyone, we are happy as I said. If you all want to stick to the FED Perkins Slade then do so.

I used to tell people to ignore all the rubbish they had heard regarding politics and buggy racing etc, now I wish I could take it all back. This last month has really opened my eyes to how BAD this sport really is. Anyone that thinks any different is just kidding themselves.

All my own opinions and feel free to shoot me down I don't give a rat's ass.

[Freeman]

You have always had to be a member of CLSC to sail at Pendine/Pembrey - this stipulation is part of our agreement with CCC.

The only exceptions to this have been events which have been organised outside of the clubs remit ie. Supercup etc.

This will still be the case now.

[jeffrington]

I also said... that it's amazing that folk will fly around with a £4000 quiver and moan like **** over a few quid... it's just like reading entry fee queries for races in the events thread...

Thats all very well and good people saying this but like Dieter pointed out, CLSC as a club paid the best part off £2000 just in affiliation fees to the fed, thats not really a few quid is it? or maybe it is to you.

If i was running a club or organization and was paying that much out for what appears to be no return (please correst me if im wrong) then i would be looking for alternative insurance too.

[Sparhawk]

<yawn> Ok Im bored now.

scud can you point me in the direction of the interesting bits?

And the fact remains, if the FED had adopted the insurance as well as we ALL expected them to, chances are that CLSC would still be a FED club.

Interesting to note that the fed sec also voted for the change in policy at CLSC

Ooooh this spoon is gonna get me into trouble soon

[Offshore]

I also said... that it's amazing that folk will fly around with a £4000 quiver and moan like **** over a few quid... it's just like reading entry fee queries for races in the events thread...

...thats not really a few quid is it? or maybe it is to you.

I was referring to what might be the cost of a round of drinks each (the cost of the FED fee as an individual).... and no-one is paying £2,000 out of their own bank account as an individual...

[tigertim]

This new ruling passed at the 2006 agm does not undermine the principle that all Fed members must have Fed insurance.

How doesn't it undermine this... "principle"?

So... with BPKA insurance I can race PKA and Supercup, I can even race internationally provided this in accordance with my "association". I can do all of this without being a member of the Fed or having Fed insurance.

Now I know there may be organisational matters of control which could prove difficult for WSYC, but just looking at the insurance, I can't see why I couldn't opt out of Fed membership and insurance, but still be a member of WSYC and sail at Hoylake with my BPKA insurance.

Dave - I completely understand the control thing, but as I said above lets just park that for now. What I'm trying to do is establish the validity of my BPKA insurance at Hoy. As far as I'm concerned is it is perfectly valid. Has anyone got anything concrete which disproves? No... I didin't think so.

I'm not concerned about paying a few extra quid for 2 insurance policies. What I don't want to do is pay insurance and in particular an affiliation fee (however small as an individual) to a body that gives diddly squat for my sport. And all those affilation fees us kite buggiers pay add up quite nicely for those land yacht boys.

So, perhaps we could use me a test case for 08. I'll get my BPKA insurance in line so that it starts on 1st Jan. I will provide proof of this, and I will pay my membership fee for WSYC only. No FED insurance and no FED affilation fee, I will not be a member of that club thanks very much. Why don't we try this out for me as a test case for 08? Valid insurance and control not an issue, no need for me to be forced into the old boys network.

[Offshore]

I'll get my coat... the BPKA insurance was ONLY valid for certain events and was by special arrangement... Simon's comment re a third insurer muddying the water is pertinent... if you want to fly at Hoy in 08 you will have FED insurance... no ifs or buts on this one at present...

[trikbitz]

As far as I know it is a club based insurance with each member covered for the following ( quoted straight from the Zurich insurance officer ):The underlined sections I have added myself.

The £10.50 will provide the following cover: ( £15 someone quoted here )

Leisure sailing anywhere within the UK and Europe providing an annual
risk assessment carried out at each site.

If I remember right Taff the risk assessment has to be carried out by a Zurich trained person and you will have to have written permission from the land owner could be interesting when i have joined CLSC and want to buggy at Les Hemmes who is going to France Belgium Holland and Denmark to carry out the RA's so I can use my Zurich Insurance

[bulletmagnet]

If I remember right Taff the risk assessment has to be carried out by a Zurich trained person and you will have to have written permission from the land owner could be interesting when i have joined CLSC and want to buggy at Les Hemmes who is going to France Belgium Holland and Denmark to carry out the RA's so I can use my Zurich Insurance

Tribitz Dieter's already made it clear he wont be driving all over the UK and further afield to do RA's so a club member can fly at their local spot.

However i would imagine if you offered to take Dieter on an all expenses paid trip to Europe i'm sure he wouldn't refuse

[trikbitz]

If I remember right Taff the risk assessment has to be carried out by a Zurich trained person and you will have to have written permission from the land owner could be interesting when i have joined CLSC and want to buggy at Les Hemmes who is going to France Belgium Holland and Denmark to carry out the RA's so I can use my Zurich Insurance

Tribitz Dieter's already made it clear he wont be driving all over the UK and further afield to do RA's so a club member can fly at their local spot.

However i would imagine if you offered to take Dieter on an all expenses paid trip to Europe i'm sure he wouldn't refuse

Just getting a point across in reply to Taff that the Insurance will only realy be good for CLSC local beaches I have other insurances in place for my tours

[Freeman]

If I remember right Taff the risk assessment has to be carried out by a Zurich trained person...

You'd be thinking of the FED's Zurich policy, not CLSC's

Pendine/Pembrey already agreed, more in the queue.....

Basically we're hoping to have a selection of Welsh & English sites up and sailable early in '08.

[trikbitz]

If I remember right Taff the risk assessment has to be carried out by a Zurich trained person...

You'd be thinking of the FED's Zurich policy, not CLSC's

Pendine/Pembrey already agreed, more in the queue.....

Basically we're hoping to have a selection of Welsh & English sites up and sailable early in '08.

Best send D to Hoylake

[trikbitz]

If I remember right Taff the risk assessment has to be carried out by a Zurich trained person...

You'd be thinking of the FED's Zurich policy, not CLSC's

Pendine/Pembrey already agreed, more in the queue.....

Basically we're hoping to have a selection of Welsh & English sites up and sailable early in '08.

What changed Col

[Snowman Taff]

You'd be thinking of the FED's Zurich policy, not CLSC's

Pendine/Pembrey already agreed, more in the queue.....

Basically we're hoping to have a selection of Welsh & English sites up and sailable early in '08.

What changed Col

NOTHING changed.

What were you trying to explain to me again John

[trikbitz]

What changed Col

NOTHING changed.

What were you trying to explain to me again John

That It ain't good for all beaches

[Freeman]

What changed Col

NOTHING changed.

What were you trying to explain to me again John

Spot on Taff.

[Simon Bailey]

I was going to post a vitriolic reply to some of the completely innane, un-informed attitudes and understandings that have become apparent...but to be honest I have lost pretty well all interest in this now.

I have been a part of the scene for many years and have helped...oh pretty well every race series! and I am tired of the apathetic, school child, playground mentality that seems to be all prevailing.

I will be joining the PKA and Hoylake and to be perfectly frank, don't care about others interests. I don't care if the CLSC declare themselves an independent principality, Hoylake ups the fees to £100 or Ainsdale becomes a nudist only beach!!!

I will be taking part in those events that fit my diary and if I am required to spend money on anything beyond my PKA and WSYC fees, then I won't be attending.

Oh and if anyone is interested in my Jeep, I'll take the best offer over £300...PM me if interested.

[tigertim]

I'll get my coat... the BPKA insurance was ONLY valid for certain events and was by special arrangement... Simon's comment re a third insurer muddying the water is pertinent... if you want to fly at Hoy in 08 you will have FED insurance... no ifs or buts on this one at present...

Dave, show me where it says BPKA is only valid for certain events and by special arrangement. Thats not what the BPKA policy tells me.

[andya]

Hes an interesting thought ... if the Fed had adopted a new "fly anywhere there a RA" insurance, we would now all be working together to ensure all paperwork is in place to ensure we can all fly at as many places as possible in 2008?

Its a shame that now the exact opposite seems to be happening ...

[windjammer]

i cant be bothered to post on this thread but who do i give my dosh to be able to race next year

[tigertim]

i cant be bothered to post on this thread but who do i give my dosh to be able to race next year

You just have

Join the TTKBA mate, it will cost you £250 but will include WSYC membership, FED membership, PKA membership, BPKA insurance and an ask no questions tell no lies support service.

[andy55d]

Some things in life are bad,
They can really make you mad.
Other things just make you swear and curse.
When you're chewing on life's gristle,
Don't grumble, give a whistle,
And this'll help things turn out for the best, and...

I will let you fill the rest in yourselves

[Freeman]

Hes an interesting thought ... if the Fed had adopted a new "fly anywhere there a RA" insurance, we would now all be working together to ensure all paperwork is in place to ensure we can all fly at as many places as possible in 2008?

That would've saved me a lot of typing in the next fortnight, but..... hey-ho

[Offshore]

Oh and if anyone is interested in my Jeep, I'll take the best offer over £300...PM me if interested.

Is that the new one