FED buggy racers

[tigertim]

Long one this but bear with me, I also thought this was more appropriate in events than buggying… don't know why

Simon’s recent thread (now deleted) re: club, PKA and FED gave me food for thought the other day. I’m now persuaded that kite buggy racers who use Fed sites or pay Fed insurance would be better represented if they paid their Fed insurance to one body who actually represents their precise interest, i.e. racing, rather than a local club which comes under an umbrella organisation of other clubs and disciplines which have no real common ground with what we do.

There may be no real practical benefits in the short term, but it’s a show of support. My hope is that if this one club/body were to end up contributing a substantial amount of member’s insurance to the Fed, this will allow kite buggy racers a greater and fairer share of voice within the Fed. It also helps bring all Fed insured buggy racers together which is better if we needed to seek alternative insurance in the future.

For this reason I will be paying my Fed insurance next year to the PKA (who I believe can best represent my interests as a racer) and I will pay my club membership to my local club as usual. Hopefully I can retain my existing K number so there is no change there?

Whilst obviously there is some political will at work here, I’d like to point out there is no malice or criticism aimed at my local club. I’m not actually interested in the politics. It’s more simply about trying to foster the correct structure which gives my individual interests better representation.

Hopefully other racers will agree and do the same, and hopefully any discussion which arises can be conducted sensibly.

Obviously I have restricted this to “racers”. It would be better if all kite powered traction sports at Fed sites were presented this way, but that’s a broader conversation which needs development.

[big-jon]

One small problem Tim, the PKA is not seen as a club within the Fed. So they do not get a vote!

[Simon Bailey]

Following on from the previous thread, we (as racers) have no direct voting representation at the FED.

The PKA are associate members, the Super Cup isn't even that...and I did hear talk that the FED wants to even remove Ainsdale as a FED club (I don't know the situation there, so won't comment further).

So who can actually represent the kite buggy racers?

[tigertim]

Well theres a Fed beach with no members at all at the moment... thats a good starting point. There will need to be some compromises made however.

[Sparhawk]

Well theres a Fed beach with no members at all at the moment... thats a good starting point.

Where 's that then?

[Mark Rose]

Probably One of the east coast beaches.
It is possible attempt by the PKA to control the FED in the UK by gaining all the votes.
My guess is that the potential ban on Ainsdale is due to the size of it's membership and the FED is defending itself.

Personally I would like to see this work hence the interested post.

[Simon Bailey]

Tim, you obviously have something about you...I post this, and you'd have thought I was demanding the culling of peoples first born!....lol

[bulletmagnet]

Remember that the recent goings on within the FED were caused by the PKA accepting a motion at the FED AGM then changing their minds a day later.

'i use to be indecisive but now i'm not quite so sure'

[Muglai]

Remember that the recent goings on within the FED were caused by the PKA accepting a motion at the FED AGM then changing their minds a day later.

'i use to be indecisive but now i'm not quite so sure'

Incorrect
Facts not supposition please
Mark Hoyland

[windjammer]

i thought going buggy racing was supposed to be fun, what do you recomend a novice racer like myself do with regards to fed insurance

[trikbitz]

Probably One of the east coast beaches.
It is possible attempt by the PKA to control the FED in the UK by gaining all the votes.
My guess is that the potential ban on Ainsdale is due to the size of it's membership and the FED is defending itself.

Personally I would like to see this work hence the interested post.

Not a lot to worry about there Mark this year at the FED AGM the number of members for 2007 was stated at 0 members

[trikbitz]

I will also bejoining PKA, Hoylake and CLCS for next year

[andya]

Incorrect
Facts not supposition please
Mark Hoyland

OK ... if we are playing fact ot fiction ...

At the Fed's AGM, the Fed voted to go with the Zurich Insurance, & Toni Redgrove from PKA was then appointed as Insurance Officer to replace Martin Leach. Martin handed over the relevant documents & within 24 hours Toni had said No to the Zurich policy as it stood.

Toni has since resigned as Insurance Officer and Martin has taken back over.

Facts or Fiction?

[trikbitz]

Well theres a Fed beach with no members at all at the moment... thats a good starting point. There will need to be some compromises made however.

Lytham from what I remember I think the council were saying just after the Euros at Hoylake they wanted to talk with the sand yatch club about getting it going again this was also raised at the FED meeting

[Kiteboyza]

Remember that the recent goings on within the FED were caused by the PKA accepting a motion at the FED AGM then changing their minds a day later.

'i use to be indecisive but now i'm not quite so sure'

I think youll find it was me that shook the cookie jar.....

The PKA are not to blame.

[Rumbledown]

Remember that the recent goings on within the FED were caused by the PKA accepting a motion at the FED AGM then changing their minds a day later.

'i use to be indecisive but now i'm not quite so sure'

Incorrect
Facts not supposition please
Mark Hoyland

Your email:

M Hoyland
Address deleted Sunday, 25 November 2007* (24hrs after voted to accept)

Ref: PKA Elected Insurance Officer BFSLYC

To All BFSLYC committee and club members,

After further consultation with members of the PKA Committee it has been decided that we are not prepared to endorse a member of our committee being responsible for sanctioning the prospective Zurich insurance policy until further investigation is completed. We believe 3 weeks is insufficient time to fully investigate the legalities and suitability of such a policy for members of the Federation

Until such investigation is completed we recommend that the Federation continues with the current insurer for 2008

In the current climate of “no win no fee” litigation we feel it is financial suicide to endorse such a policy.

If it is found that the prospective policy is of suitability then we feel it should be adopted for 2009.

It has been found for example that risk assessments for all locations required in the first 30 days of the policy coming into force is just one of the reasons that further investigation would be required . The danger of assessments being submitted after this time could and probably would have conditions imposed on them, making the policy unworkable for some clubs and its members.

We hope the Federation appreciate this unfortunate decision.

Not withstanding this class 8 is committed to include its members in the forefront of responsibilities pertaining to Federation matters now and in the future.

We hope that we will be able to resolve this situation as soon as possible.

Please circulate this to as many as possible

Regards

Mark Hoyland

PKA Secretary

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A perfect opportunity for unity amongst us was thrown away once again by the VERY people you THINK have your best interests at heart. HAHA I am a SIMPLE person

[Simon Bailey]

I think that the devil is in the detail...

It quite clearly states that it was felt that there was not enough time to investigate the actual suitability of this new policy before the beginning of the new year.

So therefore it seems prudent to not rush in and if it all appears as it should, then there should be no reason to introduce it in 2009.

[Kiteboyza]

90% of class 8 are non racers with the other 10% being hardcore racers. PKA, as stated by Muglai, is for hardcore racers. That leaves the recreational class 8 pilots in the dark or in the lap of the BPKA. I have a solution for this.

PKA let all clubs affiliate to them. They look after the needs of the racers, host one or two social events for non racers during the year. This can be done very easily as clubs will allow them to host events like this. My feeling then is, we get something from an affilaition fee to PKA. PKA need to get there own insurance and supply all class 8 with it. I know you stand to lose Hoylake, the FED stand to loose so much more. I have allready been told that CLSC insurance is not good enough to use on FED beaches....so FED insurance is not good enough in my eyes to run on non FED beaches and thats why CLSC have left, sourced a less restrictive, cheaper one.

As a club we payed close on £2000 affiliation fees to FED. What did we get in return.....sweet fanny ****all, not even a penny for helpinng host the class 8 Euro's! I'm sure your FED affiliation fees will come in handy for the Land Yacht World champs in Argentina.

Makes you think, doesnt it

All of the above is my opinions and was not instegated or influenced by any other person

[Snowman Taff]

I have allready been told that CLSC insurance is not good enough to use on FED beaches....so FED insurance is not good enough in my eyes to run on non FED beaches and thats why CLSC have left, sourced a less restrictive, cheaper one.

If our insurance is not good enough to use on FED beaches why the hell should we allow any FED run event on CLSC beaches.

Call it sour grapes but this last 2 weeks has done it for me on so many fronts.

[tigertim]

Tim, you obviously have something about you...I post this, and you'd have thought I was demanding the culling of peoples first born!....lol

It must have been the slightly larger font Si! However, I believe the effect will wear off.

Forgive my ignorance on this one, but I remember there were recent changes to Fed insurance so that non Fed insurance was vaild at Fed events provided it was sufficient blah blah blah... soooo the question begs, why do any racers need Fed insurance anymore? Surely I can source my own 3rd party insurance and not bother paying for fed cover?

[Lovekylie]

Tim just sent you a PM

[Jo0lz]

.....As a club we payed close on £2000 affiliation fees to FED. What did we get in return..........

affilaition otoa nation body [BLSYC] and an International body [FISLY] that represents all wind powered land sports......and the recognition from Local Authorities that goes with that....

[tigertim]

Ah Joolz, perhaps you can explain. Why do I need to take out Fed insurance when I join WSYC. Would my bpka or bksa insurance not suffice already?

[trikbitz]

Tim The PKA ins is FED

[tigertim]

True John, but as an individual I don't need Fed insurance to race PKA. They will recognise bpka and bksa. So why then do the PKA themselves even need Fed insurance, could they not source elsewhere?